Gabe/London: Totally not paying attention to their surroundings. I don’t see how difficult that would be to tie them up.
Katt: Blasted into a web, by Minerva… all Spinny had to do was create said web. Then she tied an already semi-restrained Katt. Again. Don’t see why that wouldn’t work.
And as Wrong Wolf numbberrrrr… ::Snags him, pulls the fur back and looks on the back of his neck:: 54285956 said… there’s still Minerva.
Mary-Sue-declare it if you wish. Me, I think it worked. : )
And she used Mecha Maid’s own force to get her tied up. I think that Spinny was just taking advantage of the situation as it was; Minerva is going to be more difficult because not only is she the biggest (and probably the most powerful), she now is going to focus on our dear heroine… a Mary Sue would’ve panicked, used her powers randomly and ‘accidentally’ succeeded. This was all taking advantage of the situation and using it to her advantage, much more thought than a Mary Sue puts into the picture. Then again, let’s see how Minerva gets taken down before we really start crying ‘foul play’ for Spinnerette.
Actually, any one of them could likely hold up against her normally, save for the rage serum. Heck, Mecha Maid really is more powerful all around, but even Jet Li’ll go down like a sack if he’s so blind with rage he doesn’t understand he’s getting attacked.
Look at the WAY they’re fight, they are using their usual styles and forms of combat, they’re just going at each other in the most direct manner possible. Spinnerette has the advantage mentally, and with her webbing, restrains are sort of easy to come up with.
A comic starring a rookie supehero as the title character, should naturally see that character get better over time. First I want to point out that a Mary-Sue always succeeds, is good at everything (or a ridiculous amount of things), is never in the wrong, and has no undesirable personality traits.
Spinnerette is naive, very inexperienced as a superhero, is probably the only living example (of that universe) of a campy, over-the-top comic book superhero (because she’s read too many friggin comics and approaches superheroing the same way a mallcop approaches his/her job that’s seen way too many cop dramas and westerns), and despite a growing amount of evidence of being an intelligent person, her judgement often leaves much to be desired. Axel, you call this a Mary-Sue?
Yes, her victory against her Canadian allies + Mecha-Maid and – Minerva is pretty darn total, severe, and utterly humilating. She didn’t take on a bunch of people at once, though. This is not a coodinated effort against her. In fact, only one person was attacking her. The rest were busy with each other. They served the “divide” part of “divide and conquer” on a silver platter.
Given each’s experience in fighting (Minerva I can’t say has been a “superhero” long, but “Guardian of Hell” is more than enough of a resume), any one of them could have kicked Spinnerette’s butt on their own under normal conditions. Too many factors are working against them, though. I’ll break it down.
1)
Spinnerette is growing as a superhero…not only in basic fighting, but also mastering her own gifts. She’s getting a lot better.
2)
Her opponents are all inebriated with rage toxins. Being super-angry isn’t advantageous, trust me.
3)
Only one person was focused on attacking her. Everyone else was too busy with each other.
4) There is no coordinated group effort against Spinnerette.
Honestly, I’d be disappointed if Spinnerette couldn’t manage to beat them. Her trouncing them so soundly is exceptional, but not shocking. I’m impressed, but not surprised.
Anyway throwing “Mary Sue” at her just shows a lack of understanding of the concept of a Mary Sue.
I’ll second everything Pidgeons said and add it’s about damn time. The whole point of this comic is Heather’s growth to full blown hero, and it’s been ages since she’s shown any form of development in this area.
Furthermore she’s technically not a Mary-Sue as the other important aspect of a Mary Sue that everyone forgets is that they are AN AUTHOR SELF INSERT. Which means unless Krow believes himself in his heart of hearts to be a six armed girl, doesn’t really hold up.
Ugh. You can’t have a character in a non “mainstream” fiction that plainly succeeds in story writing anymore. Someone always comes in bitching about Mary Sue-ism. Nobody batted an eyelash at RDJ’s Sherlock when he’d go superbrain and plan the next five minutes out and everything happened exactly as planned, but Dirk, who had ALL HIS LIFE to plan, intimate knowledge of the situation because of what his ancestor knew, and THE NECESSARY TRAINING to do it, pulls off something without a hitch and out comes the whiners.
Maybe it’s the character confidence factor? If every other spare moment was spent with him going “SHIT OH GOD NO WHAT NO NO NO NO NO SHIT WHOA” and barely scraping by, nobody’d complain. Show some confidence and suddenly you’re an insufferably smug Mary Sue.
It’s like admitting to genuinely liking something. Everyone has to “ironically like” shit. I have more important things to do than validate my reasoning behind enjoying things like a thirteen-year-old boy who thinks girls are icky but has a crush on his babysitter or his best friend’s big sister or something and refuses to admit it.
Sorry about the rant, but damn. Lighten up a little. You’d think every other story on the internet is My Immortal with the way people are so quick to play the Mary Sue card.
Let protagonists do something right without screwing up once in a while.
Ohhhhhh… So the water did effect Spinny but since she didn’t have any really issues with anyone it moved to the next thing she did have major issues with… Being taken seriously as a superhero! And that is my pain/pain meds induced theory for the day! Back to bandaging my stupid twist ankle…
Toxins + DNA= Probably immune to most of these things. At least how I would explain it. Not the most interesting of super immunities, but at least she can’t get food poisoning :3
I just registered to the forum but have been having problems with the final part as the links on the email all lead to an 500 server error notice, everyone of them. And I would have contacted the Support Staff, if there was an actual link to it as indicated on the email. And I am not the only one as there seems to be others with the same problem.
I’d suggest giving your email (one that you don’t mind putting out there.). If anyone responsible for the forums wants to help, they might contact you.
Spinnsel will have to be a bit more cleverer to subdue Minnie
Totally adoring all 3 shots of Spin today: panel 5 has her looking like a real spider who has just caught themselves a 9-tailed fly (do flies even _have_ tails? O_o) but the last panel, with her tongue sticking out the corner of her mouth? That is the bestest of the lot
Hmmm, Minnie’s nice head looks like she is _really_ flipping out in panel 4
Mhm maybe she’ll try to turn the heads on each other? They ARE pissed and as long as they have separate personalities they Can fight each other. That would definitely shoot their balance and coordination all to hell… pun unintended.
That could very well work, specially seeing how Nice is being very UnNice at the moment, and while they are snapping at each other, Spins could be slowly webbing her legs like a coccoon
My theory? She takes a page outta Spiderman’s book and uses her webs to blind Minerva (triple-loop over all three heads maybe?), followed up with stringing a few coils around the legs and then yanking so she falls. Then tie her arms behind her, and for a finale (and insurance), make another large web and use it like a net to keep Minerva pinned to the ground.
ok… i had a dream i was able to sling webs like spiderman. and then i wasnt able to… and was able to do it like spins… but the webbing consistency and style was dependent on what i ate. so if i had a lot of candy it would be like candy… chocolate webs… cookie webs… it would still be like webs but it would be the appropriate color and flavor to those items. what was also crazy was that it was effective. i am conflicted by this…
Lord Marrowgar. He’s the first boss in Ice Crown Citadel, the last raid from the Wrath of the Lich King expansion for WoW. One of his abilities is called Bone Spike Graveyard, and he yells “Stick Around!” when he casts it. The voice actor for it has a very.. memorable way of talking.
I can’t be the only person who plays WoW and reads this comic, can I?
Meh. And now I’m caught up to now. I guess I’ll check back in another year+ if I’m still alive. Smell you later. Definitely Laurence Fishburne should play Tiger.
*lol* You something is REALLY wrong when you have Minerva #3 screaming insults at you. She’s usually the SWEET, INNOCENT LOOKING, and NICE head compared to the other two, who ALWAYS look angry.
From the way #3 is screaming at London while #1 and #2 are getting ready to blast Katt, I think London’s lucky Minerva seems to only do ONE attack at once, and only has ONE pair of of hands, or else #3 would have given him what Katt was about to get from heads #1 & 2. *lol*
she took advantage of a situation and won so what its not like she had a all oyt fight she used strategicly timed her traps (spidey would be proud) plus we’re seeing her use yigers advice showing us that she kind off remembering
Told ya. Mary-Sue fight who takes ‘em all out with zero effort.
There’s still Minerva.
I think it has more to do with time length of the book (a drawn out fight would take considerable amount of effort to produce).
Not to mention that Spins is pouncing on teammates when they’re a)offguard and b)hopped on angry juice and probably not thinking clearly.
I shouldn’t bother… but this one time, I shall:
Gabe/London: Totally not paying attention to their surroundings. I don’t see how difficult that would be to tie them up.
Katt: Blasted into a web, by Minerva… all Spinny had to do was create said web. Then she tied an already semi-restrained Katt. Again. Don’t see why that wouldn’t work.
And as Wrong Wolf numbberrrrr… ::Snags him, pulls the fur back and looks on the back of his neck:: 54285956 said… there’s still Minerva.
Mary-Sue-declare it if you wish. Me, I think it worked. : )
*shines a UV light on Axel*
And she used Mecha Maid’s own force to get her tied up. I think that Spinny was just taking advantage of the situation as it was; Minerva is going to be more difficult because not only is she the biggest (and probably the most powerful), she now is going to focus on our dear heroine… a Mary Sue would’ve panicked, used her powers randomly and ‘accidentally’ succeeded. This was all taking advantage of the situation and using it to her advantage, much more thought than a Mary Sue puts into the picture. Then again, let’s see how Minerva gets taken down before we really start crying ‘foul play’ for Spinnerette.
Fine, but if Minerva takes zero-effort as well, I’m calling bullshit.
Actually, any one of them could likely hold up against her normally, save for the rage serum. Heck, Mecha Maid really is more powerful all around, but even Jet Li’ll go down like a sack if he’s so blind with rage he doesn’t understand he’s getting attacked.
Look at the WAY they’re fight, they are using their usual styles and forms of combat, they’re just going at each other in the most direct manner possible. Spinnerette has the advantage mentally, and with her webbing, restrains are sort of easy to come up with.
Everything I was going to say was covered by CrocoGuy. I would also add that Spinnerette has the one unspoken power. Power of the title character.
A comic starring a rookie supehero as the title character, should naturally see that character get better over time. First I want to point out that a Mary-Sue always succeeds, is good at everything (or a ridiculous amount of things), is never in the wrong, and has no undesirable personality traits.
Spinnerette is naive, very inexperienced as a superhero, is probably the only living example (of that universe) of a campy, over-the-top comic book superhero (because she’s read too many friggin comics and approaches superheroing the same way a mallcop approaches his/her job that’s seen way too many cop dramas and westerns), and despite a growing amount of evidence of being an intelligent person, her judgement often leaves much to be desired. Axel, you call this a Mary-Sue?
Yes, her victory against her Canadian allies + Mecha-Maid and – Minerva is pretty darn total, severe, and utterly humilating. She didn’t take on a bunch of people at once, though. This is not a coodinated effort against her. In fact, only one person was attacking her. The rest were busy with each other. They served the “divide” part of “divide and conquer” on a silver platter.
Given each’s experience in fighting (Minerva I can’t say has been a “superhero” long, but “Guardian of Hell” is more than enough of a resume), any one of them could have kicked Spinnerette’s butt on their own under normal conditions. Too many factors are working against them, though. I’ll break it down.
1)
Spinnerette is growing as a superhero…not only in basic fighting, but also mastering her own gifts. She’s getting a lot better.
2)
Her opponents are all inebriated with rage toxins. Being super-angry isn’t advantageous, trust me.
3)
Only one person was focused on attacking her. Everyone else was too busy with each other.
4) There is no coordinated group effort against Spinnerette.
Honestly, I’d be disappointed if Spinnerette couldn’t manage to beat them. Her trouncing them so soundly is exceptional, but not shocking. I’m impressed, but not surprised.
Anyway throwing “Mary Sue” at her just shows a lack of understanding of the concept of a Mary Sue.
I’ll second everything Pidgeons said and add it’s about damn time. The whole point of this comic is Heather’s growth to full blown hero, and it’s been ages since she’s shown any form of development in this area.
Furthermore she’s technically not a Mary-Sue as the other important aspect of a Mary Sue that everyone forgets is that they are AN AUTHOR SELF INSERT. Which means unless Krow believes himself in his heart of hearts to be a six armed girl, doesn’t really hold up.
@That Damn Rat: Actually it could still be a self-insert if Krow was a six-armed woman trapped in a two-armed man’s body. Kind of doubt it, though. XD
Ugh. You can’t have a character in a non “mainstream” fiction that plainly succeeds in story writing anymore. Someone always comes in bitching about Mary Sue-ism. Nobody batted an eyelash at RDJ’s Sherlock when he’d go superbrain and plan the next five minutes out and everything happened exactly as planned, but Dirk, who had ALL HIS LIFE to plan, intimate knowledge of the situation because of what his ancestor knew, and THE NECESSARY TRAINING to do it, pulls off something without a hitch and out comes the whiners.
Maybe it’s the character confidence factor? If every other spare moment was spent with him going “SHIT OH GOD NO WHAT NO NO NO NO NO SHIT WHOA” and barely scraping by, nobody’d complain. Show some confidence and suddenly you’re an insufferably smug Mary Sue.
It’s like admitting to genuinely liking something. Everyone has to “ironically like” shit. I have more important things to do than validate my reasoning behind enjoying things like a thirteen-year-old boy who thinks girls are icky but has a crush on his babysitter or his best friend’s big sister or something and refuses to admit it.
Sorry about the rant, but damn. Lighten up a little. You’d think every other story on the internet is My Immortal with the way people are so quick to play the Mary Sue card.
Let protagonists do something right without screwing up once in a while.
Spinny stick them all up
Since 3 characters are furry related getting that off indeed will be a problem :/
So only big bad cerberus to tame left…
One solution for it! *gets the shears* >:3c
Ohhhhhh… So the water did effect Spinny but since she didn’t have any really issues with anyone it moved to the next thing she did have major issues with… Being taken seriously as a superhero! And that is my pain/pain meds induced theory for the day! Back to bandaging my stupid twist ankle…
Toxins + DNA= Probably immune to most of these things. At least how I would explain it. Not the most interesting of super immunities, but at least she can’t get food poisoning :3
Awww! M’Katt lost her flare for curses! She didn’t call Spinny a wretch! Hee.
I just registered to the forum but have been having problems with the final part as the links on the email all lead to an 500 server error notice, everyone of them. And I would have contacted the Support Staff, if there was an actual link to it as indicated on the email. And I am not the only one as there seems to be others with the same problem.
So please, to anyone who can help, please do!
I’d suggest giving your email (one that you don’t mind putting out there.). If anyone responsible for the forums wants to help, they might contact you.
Spinnsel will have to be a bit more cleverer to subdue Minnie
Totally adoring all 3 shots of Spin today: panel 5 has her looking like a real spider who has just caught themselves a 9-tailed fly (do flies even _have_ tails? O_o) but the last panel, with her tongue sticking out the corner of her mouth? That is the bestest of the lot
Hmmm, Minnie’s nice head looks like she is _really_ flipping out in panel 4
Mhm maybe she’ll try to turn the heads on each other? They ARE pissed and as long as they have separate personalities they Can fight each other. That would definitely shoot their balance and coordination all to hell… pun unintended.
That could very well work, specially seeing how Nice is being very UnNice at the moment, and while they are snapping at each other, Spins could be slowly webbing her legs like a coccoon
My theory? She takes a page outta Spiderman’s book and uses her webs to blind Minerva (triple-loop over all three heads maybe?), followed up with stringing a few coils around the legs and then yanking so she falls. Then tie her arms behind her, and for a finale (and insurance), make another large web and use it like a net to keep Minerva pinned to the ground.
ok… i had a dream i was able to sling webs like spiderman. and then i wasnt able to… and was able to do it like spins… but the webbing consistency and style was dependent on what i ate. so if i had a lot of candy it would be like candy… chocolate webs… cookie webs… it would still be like webs but it would be the appropriate color and flavor to those items. what was also crazy was that it was effective. i am conflicted by this…
Or do you mean inflicted? 0.o
What if you ate your own webbing?
Furry puns, everywhere! :3
Did anyone else read that “STICK AROUND!” in Lord Marrowgar’s voice?
Lord Who-now? O_o
Lord Marrowgar. He’s the first boss in Ice Crown Citadel, the last raid from the Wrath of the Lich King expansion for WoW. One of his abilities is called Bone Spike Graveyard, and he yells “Stick Around!” when he casts it. The voice actor for it has a very.. memorable way of talking.
I can’t be the only person who plays WoW and reads this comic, can I?
Really wish there was a way to Edit comments..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aZYUHO8xfI&t=31
I can’t really see it until Spins yells, “BOOOOOOONE STOOOOOOORM!”
@Zeterai: ….I didn’t read it like that until you mentioned it.
Meh. And now I’m caught up to now. I guess I’ll check back in another year+ if I’m still alive. Smell you later. Definitely Laurence Fishburne should play Tiger.
Go Spinny Go!
The Good, the Bad and the Moderate…
In the 3rd panel, London sure got over his rage pretty quickly.
aaaah… so THAT’s why Katt was no problem…
Spinny used Minerva to get katt
Then she lost the surprise on Minerva since she’s the only one left…
*lol* You something is REALLY wrong when you have Minerva #3 screaming insults at you. She’s usually the SWEET, INNOCENT LOOKING, and NICE head compared to the other two, who ALWAYS look angry.
From the way #3 is screaming at London while #1 and #2 are getting ready to blast Katt, I think London’s lucky Minerva seems to only do ONE attack at once, and only has ONE pair of of hands, or else #3 would have given him what Katt was about to get from heads #1 & 2. *lol*
she took advantage of a situation and won so what its not like she had a all oyt fight she used strategicly timed her traps (spidey would be proud) plus we’re seeing her use yigers advice showing us that she kind off remembering